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^ Umm the reason why there is so much tension in the Middle East is because of the presence of American Foreces. And yes, like Vietnam, the war in Iraq is unwinnable. Al Queda extremists only gained so much support and power after the US started invading.

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Going to break this post into two topics:


A) Just saw that video, and it wasn't what I expected. That dog died on impact. Sure, it's immoral, but in consideration that you can't take dogs back to camp, just leaving the dog there is die in a long, painful death is worse. Most of you are taking it way out of hand.

Needs to be addressed? I hope that's a joke. Out of this entire godforsaken war, where we had countless innocent people die, it should be stopped over a dog? Cruel, though? Sure, but as Makeshift said, this is a Marine. I doubt anyone posted here as killed someone and I know I haven't, but I highly doubt someone that's killed another person really cares how the dog dies, as long as it doesn't interfere with his objective.



Showing you the Good, the Bad, the Ugly.

B)

That's what people are saying. Times aren't bad though, so who wants to do these jobs now?

I'm not too sure the statistics abouts illegal immigrants on the cost of our healthcare, but I do know this. My neighbor is a professional contractor and architect. I was telling him that companies are making more money buy using illegal immigrants as cheap workers. He told me I had no idea what I was talking about. Said that yes, they make a profit, but only by a small margin. Capitalism blows the rest away, and that without the usage of them - most houses would cost a lot more than they do now. Since he builds a shit load of houses for a living, I'm pretty sure his words are solid.

And I'd also like to quote:



And yes, maybe not to the extreme, but the similiarities of Hitler and Bush are pretty obvious.

He set off preemptive wars, and told the general mass it was solely to protect the 'homeland security.'

Hitler also passed the 'Enabling Act,' which went completely against the German Constitution, to allow them to take most civil liberties away from the German people.

Patriot Act ripoff, much?


Bush on the Patriot Act?

Lol. Try Hitler.


Now, I'm obviously with Chris to the fact that if any nation threatens the United States should be stopped. But from there, I differ.
Wars need to be Constitutional. It needs to be passed by Congress. It needs to be legal. I'm tired of politics treating it like it's a worthless piece of paper. Fuck that, and fuck Bush.

Also, a leader to do this would need to have a strong agenda. Bush has had the opperutnity to have Osama's head on a stick, yet every time he has diddle-daddled over it. It's been seven years since 9/11, and we still don't have him. It's been 7 years also in this war... and our progress has gotten us no where.

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What he said^ Many Immigrants come to US illegally because the long process for getting their papers straight takes a really long time. It takes too long and some money which they simply don't have. Also I find it quite disgusting that saying that every single one of them leach of US tits. A shit load of them pay taxes once they are settle in. As for the health care system, half of the immigrants are scared to death to go near hospitals since they can get deported right back. Anyway, You got so many immigrants since the legal process takes too long and needs some financial back up, many immigrants don't have both. I, however, do agree that many of those immigrants should come legally but theres just some things that all of them can't do.


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For the economy, many of the immigrants that come here (besides mexicans) many had professions that they could not do here. Also the job unemployment has been at 5% percent for a long time. The true thing that is taking jobs away are fuckers like walmart and such.

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"He just kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt, it was really quite hypnotic..."

After I'm gone your Earth will be free to live out its miserable span of existence as one of my satellites, and that's how it's going to be...

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I'm going to stick with the dog for now.

David Motari has had a record for misconduct. He clearly did this for laughs, and I find it reprehensible. He should have let the dog a lone, instead of going out of his way to be cruel.

And yeah, I agree that many more *human* lives that have been unjustly taken should be addressed... but, well.... Puppies are cuter.

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I've worked some of the shittiest jobs out there. I laid asphalt as my first job. Worked my way up to cutting grass on the side of the interstate with a weed eater. Then i went on to sewage/water department here in my local town. Where, since i was the only white guy on an all black crew, i cleaned sewage pipes. (seriously... they called me "whiteboy") After that i went on to maintain local parks. This was all pre-college. So.. its not a matter of what i wont do unless times are tough. I'm slightly more educated now than i was then...and am not able to make ends meet off of a $5.25/hr wage. I am not above the work, and i assure you...i can work ANY of you under the table. With that being said Display, i will bring up my prior statement of how i wont do those jobs regardless of my education/ability levels... FOR LESS THAN MINIMUM WAGE!!!

Now come on, im not going to give too much credit to Americans.. I'll agree.. they are lazy... but they aren't stupid either. Why would they take a cut in pay to get off of SSI and go to work.

So, my argument stands. Yes... they do jobs Americans wont do... for less than any human should be getting paid to do that particular job...and THAT is why people can get away with saying that. Its a Michael Moore ish type statement.




Let me also ask this question... Does he hire illegal immigrants to do his labor?

Because, honestly... that would be the equivalent of asking a bad guy if they are doing something wrong. OF COURSE THEY AREN'T!!!!

I agree, most houses would cost more, but understand that if our less than minimal wage workers made what they should to do this job and paid in taxes.. that would help our government. With the shift in wages, that would also help bring our economy out of a recession because that would be a large sum of money infiltrating the market. Which in turn would create more money on the top end too. SO.. it would be bumpy for a while, but it would sort itself.



I believe i've already addressed this... We're not scared of the competition...

We just refuse to work for less than the Government Regulated Minimal Wage...or would like to be offered things like company provided unemployment insurance or health insurance.

Both of which aren't required if you hire illegals. If they get hurt... you take them home, and just don't pick them up till they are better again.




Yes, i do understand your stance on this... But Hitler created a problem with a group of people in his mind. THERE IS A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ. (and no "That guy", once again... it is not for oil money...seriously... keep kicking that dead horse...
why dont you hop on a legitimate oil scandal... ill help.

http://www.slate.com/id/2111195/

Given by the slate, an obviously left site.)

It is completely unfair to compare the two.

First... Hitler was a dictator. He killed 6 million un armed, defenseless human beings who provoked no one. They were merely a ladder for him to climb to success. Where Bush has ordered the death of NO innocent people. There are casualties of war.. that is a part of it. Innocents die.. it is unfortunate... that is war.

But Bush has not ordered our soldiers to mow down groups of civilians at a time and bury them in a mass grave site.

You would honestly have an easier time making a correlation between Hitler and Hussein.

Your currently just comparing apples to oranges.



Yes, but Hitler didn't have a legitimate threat. He created a false sense of terror in the masses to manipulate them. They were sheep. Us as Americans are not. We are free thinking...and are not that stupid. We also have the ability to judge a legitimate threat... and Saddam we definitely a legitimate threat. Whether to us, surrounding countries, or the people who lived within his nation. People like that should not be allowed to rule and should be de-throned. He ordered the slaughtering of over 180,000 Kurds with chemical agents. If you wont do it...we will.

I stand 100% behind Bush on our decision to remove him from power.



I agree, we should have ended the Afghani bullshit... We could have had him a couple of times...

(I personally think that he's already dead...{he has been on Kidney Dialysis in a cave since the beginning of this thing.})

and...



this statement could be farther from the truth, there has been tension in the middle east since the beginning of time. But it all came to a head when Israel was created on holy ground. THAT is why the middle east hates the US.

Also, Vietnam was winnable, also... Iraq is winnable. We are not fighting. We are sending boys over there to die. They cannot shoot at people, they are so restricted that they cannot do anything but sit there and be shot at. If we wanted to fight, you would be amazed by our strength. Do not say that the US cannot win, for that is a ignorant statement. There is not a country in the world besides maybe China that can stand a chance against us if we chose to fight all out. If we were to put the necessary man power with the lack of restrictions in Iraq right now, we could be out of there in less than a year. Problem solved.

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the middle east hates us because we've been in there business for the last 50+ years every since our "puppet" shah caused the 1953 coup of mossadegh(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax) after mossadegh decided to nationalize the oil industry in iran.

consequently, we have been in their holy land ever since. I'd be upset too if some foreign country was influencing all the political decisions in my country/holy land...

if anything, Israel is a side note as to why the middle east hates us, not the sole reason. Israel was created after the UN approved the British mandate of Palestine. At this point, they partitioned it into two parts: one Jewish and one Arab. Obviously the Arabs were pissed but this was a UN approved partition. Totally out of their hands.

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I could argue for hours, but it took me like an hour just to read the topics. So for now, all I will contribute is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASGT5NQXefA

That's all for now.

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I agree with PeP, Motari has had a full list of irresponsible and appaling things he has done while in the Marines. He makes a bad image for the US troops and if the Commanding general was smart he would court marshal him. And to add to the psuedo use of torture, no one ever gets 'tortured' since it is against the Geneva Convention mandated by the UN. It states that use of unhumaine and unlawful techniques of tourture inorder to get information from a party, could end up in charges against humanity. So now its just called interrogation.

In fact, Bush had vetoed the use of harsh interrigation such as waterboarding (a common torture technique) in order to aid the CIA's authority on getting information out of possible terrorists and suspects.

Please visit this site (least bias on i could find) : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/washi ... ei=5087%0A

I don't see how you could say things are inhumane in Iraq, when there clearly not any better in the US.

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I disagree strongly with you... There is MUCH animosity between Muslim Middle East and Isreal(and the rest of the world). There is a VERY real problem here that is waiting to explode.

Not to mention that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has threatened to nuke Isreal if he were ever to get his hands on one.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

BUT, i do believe that even if we were to hand over Israel to everyone, that would not be enough. So.. what to do. I dont believe that there is an easy answer for peace in the middle east. Especially against a group of people who are NOT willing to compromise and are willing to slaughter innocent souls to prove a point.



also...

if your looking for least biased...then you shouldnt be on the NY times.(just a note)

one more thing.

Please dont tell us how it is here. You dont live here... How would you feel if I told you how bad things are in Ontario, Canada based on something that i read in the news written by someone who is so slanted that they have trouble pulling their head out of their asses to finish writing their piece?

Please understand that most of the major news organizations (INCLUDING FOX) have no fucking clue what is going on in day to day America and are so out of touch with the consumer that they just write what they feel ought to be said. Not what is actually happening.

Take everything they say with a grain of salt and you will get a MUCH better idea of what is actually going on here.

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I know,

Im not trying to speak for the American people, just staing what I currently know and am giving my opinion with a miniscule amount of research to back it.
This topic of war is a very broad one. I was just saying that things arent only bad in Iraq and other war torn countries, but and also bad in developed countries when it comes to war.

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Weird, I just read something about that in the paper

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On puppy killing.

In my town 2 years ago, a kid from the rival school in town and his buddy got shitfaced and stole an ATV. The neighbors dog was barking, so one of them BEAT it's skull in with a wrench/crowbar(fuzzy on the details.) Well, the next year I see the kid taking pictures at a sporting event. Truth is, puppies are not defended very well. Had it been my way his dumb as would be fed to the dogs. It's really sad too seeing a girl crying over her dead puppy cause some bored fuck drank too much or smmoked some shit.

On the war, I personally sided with going too and 100% believe that was right. But now that we are in, and they(Iraq) is not doing their part to build back up, we should leave. It is not easy to rebuild, and if they can't get it done this late in th game, well tough shit. We have other issues. And to those who honestly think U.S. can lose in a full on military conflict, you REALLY need to read up. The only nation on earth that poses any thret to the U.S. is China, only for sheer numbesrs. In a tech war, we are a guy on a hil with a machine gun looking on people with rocks and sticks.(exagerated, but you get my point) Hell, we are advanced enough to start researching active camoflauge. And thats the shit they laek to the public. assuming the middle east united into one super terrorist nation, as was impled somewhere, The entire world wouldnt exactly jump on that bandwagon eithe( maybe SK, but meh on a meh stick)

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All I'm trying to do is give you a different point of view. If you "know" that much, then i am apparently wasting my time.

...All I can say at this point is that America is a much better place than you probably realize. If you know this already, i am satisfied at atleast that.If not... I am ending my time in this conversation as it is no fun to debate someone who doesn't have an open mind.

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